tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post4304587291866071519..comments2023-10-19T06:36:52.500-05:00Comments on Reversing the Handbasket: The Founding Fathers and Christianity (or, stop using just another pathetic excuse to try to make me behave like you do)Sky Girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11251661769308033884noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-6621752279333986872010-10-21T14:20:54.607-05:002010-10-21T14:20:54.607-05:00also...thanks, skygirl, for running down all the i...also...thanks, skygirl, for running down all the info in this blog...must have been a big job. i'll be sharing on facebook.U-Dig?https://www.blogger.com/profile/02411476084114061092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-298169071952609092010-10-21T14:19:55.012-05:002010-10-21T14:19:55.012-05:00on the new legislation where women are emotionally...on the new legislation where women are emotionally tortured before making what i can only assume is one of the hardest decisions a woman would ever have to make, maybe we should have a social "mixer" of sorts between soldiers of different countries before they go into battle and try to kill each other...actually, that doesn't sound like a bad idea.U-Dig?https://www.blogger.com/profile/02411476084114061092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-37770661918275304942010-08-30T20:54:14.109-05:002010-08-30T20:54:14.109-05:00They are trying to pass a similar legislative gem ...They are trying to pass a similar legislative gem in Missouri. Here is my outburst when I found out about it:<br />http://reversingthehandbasket.blogspot.com/2010/03/about-this-complete-bullshit-about-my.htmlSky Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06174657246876292779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-59852060801911808662010-08-30T03:27:47.050-05:002010-08-30T03:27:47.050-05:00A perfect example of religious conservatives tryin...A perfect example of religious conservatives trying to impose their religious beliefs on others is a bill that was passed (and vetoed) in Florida that would have required women seeking an abortion to pay for an ultrasound and listen to a doctor describe the fetus before they make their choice, and for victims of incest or rape, they would have to fill out some papers stating that they qualify for an exemption.<br /><br />Why was this law considered? The religious right felt that forcing a woman to see and hear about the fetus would reduce the amount of abortions. They didn't care that it placed government in between a doctor and their patient (an argument made by the right against the health care bill). All they cared about was imposing their religious beliefs. <br /><br />I was surprised that the governor vetoed the bill but agreed with his statement that it was not the government's place or business. It surprises me that conservatives love to preach the constitution but don't mind instituting double standards when it comes to their faith...Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13492761988793782893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-34046825405058323132010-08-29T12:34:33.096-05:002010-08-29T12:34:33.096-05:00I agree with you, Kate. I have several beliefs th...I agree with you, Kate. I have several beliefs that do not agree with most people I know. However, I think it would be hypocritical of me, if I tried to impose my beliefs on them. My religious freedom ends at the tip of your nose.TomCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11397335545286040472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-32614863703860026162010-08-28T23:53:52.075-05:002010-08-28T23:53:52.075-05:00http://reversingthehandbasket.blogspot.com/2010/03...http://reversingthehandbasket.blogspot.com/2010/03/sanctity-of-marriage-and-using-jesus-to.htmlSky Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06174657246876292779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-53205734111982698252010-08-28T21:22:40.196-05:002010-08-28T21:22:40.196-05:00I would like to be able to rely more on the separa...I would like to be able to rely more on the separation of church and state that we are supposed to have in the US. Just because a certain segment of Christians (and misc other religions) *believe* that homosexuality is "wrong," that doesn't mean it is. Just because they "believe" that it does not fit the definition of marriage, that doesn't mean it actually doesn't. It just means that some people who may or may not be of that same religious faith believe "it" differently. Not all interpretations of the Bible are the same. <br /><br />To state that there "IS" an absolute right and "IS" an absolute wrong for all of humanity based on one religion is wildly presumptive. <br /><br />And so who wins? Doesn't each belief, regardless of popularity, have its own merit, based on the fact that it IS someone's religious belief?<br /><br />If it were my religious belief that I should be able to have a same-sex marriage, and I truly believed it was not against the will of God, and I truly believed that it would be a union blessed and in His honor, then is it not completely hypocritical of the United States government to disallow this? Isn't it favoritism to courtsey to the most popular, more conservative interpretation of Christianity? Where is the religious freedom for those people who believe this way? <br /><br />Regardless of what it says in the Bible, regardless of how many people intrepret it to restrict homosexual anything, it doesn't actually mean it is true. It is your BELIEF that it is true. You may believe it wholeheartedly, but the bounds of your belief exist personally between you and God. You may act on your beliefs, and speak out against homosexual marriage, for example, but the religion in your head and your heart exist there, and not among other people just because it is your true reality. Applying your religious beliefs to others and having the expectations that they should meet them just because you do is egomaniacal.katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14948942882787392496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-9786560789199825952010-08-28T16:03:22.025-05:002010-08-28T16:03:22.025-05:00AA, following your argument to its logical conclus...AA, following your argument to its logical conclusion, lets make it two women, both of whom are lesbians, on that deserted island. If we are talking about US law, how one views God's perspective becomes irrelevant. When they return home, they also would have to be married legally to take advantage of any benefits provided for married couples in our country. The only difference is that Prop 8 imposes a restriction on these rights based on religion.TomCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11397335545286040472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-65888733579239807492010-08-27T20:40:06.919-05:002010-08-27T20:40:06.919-05:00I'm not even sure how to respond to that. I g...I'm not even sure how to respond to that. I guess I agree it is a non-answer.Sky Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06174657246876292779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-15532603884060561322010-08-26T11:19:39.527-05:002010-08-26T11:19:39.527-05:00Prop 8 is extremely interesting from a lot of diff...Prop 8 is extremely interesting from a lot of different views. Here in lies the problem. You have heard the argument of "What is the definition of marriage?" That's not as easy to answer as you might think. Let me get a little creative with this one. If a man and a woman (if you will allow me to use male/female for this one)who did not know each other, were on a deserted island, they became close, fell in love and said "I want to be married to you" and both agreed, I believe in the eyes of God they could/would be married. When they returned home, to the United States, they would have to become married legally to take advantage of any benefits provided for married couples in our country. How do you like that for a non-answer.The Average Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02713917641657376358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-28187629916458975832010-08-26T08:07:59.810-05:002010-08-26T08:07:59.810-05:00Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant in your las...Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant in your last paragraph of your comment. It seems like we have finally found an area where agreed.<br /><br />I am curious: What is your position on laws such as Proposition 8 in California? There is no basis for limiting the civil rights of homosexual people, except that some people feel that it is against their religious values.Sky Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06174657246876292779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-89397203676849558522010-08-25T16:16:50.224-05:002010-08-25T16:16:50.224-05:00You have a great point. Some Christians DO point t...You have a great point. Some Christians DO point the finger at other Christians as being wrong. If you read my first comment again, though, I was making only a religious argument and not political. I DO NOT think religion of any kind should infringe on the rights of others but it can and should infringe on my own rights. I have the right to do a lot of things that my faith does not allow me to do and condemns me when I do do them.<br /><br />I never said anything about laws based on faith/religion. I would invite anyone to read my comment on your article and then your response. They do not go together, at all. The tactic of making an argument based upon something never said does not work on me. <br /><br />I would never force anyone to live by a text that they do not believe in. But I do wish people would live by a text that they DO believe in.The Average Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02713917641657376358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-55116050754785135952010-08-25T13:28:54.825-05:002010-08-25T13:28:54.825-05:00Peachy. Good even. feel like you are totally rig...Peachy. Good even. feel like you are totally right and others are wrong. Some Christians would go so far as to say the way others practice Christianity are wrong.<br /><br />But in the United States, we are founded on many concepts, one of which is that your religious convictions cannot infringe on the rights to anyone else to believe exactly as they want to believe, or to not believe in anything at all.<br /><br />And therefore, our laws cannot be based on your assertion or philosophical belief that you are right. And that is the way that it is supposed to be and was intended by the founding fathers.<br /><br />Be right. Be happy. But just don't try to force everyone else to live by a religious text they may not believe in.Sky Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06174657246876292779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6221919997181452045.post-9341396721538581002010-08-25T11:26:08.654-05:002010-08-25T11:26:08.654-05:00As to Christianity, I do not base my beliefs on wh...As to Christianity, I do not base my beliefs on what past or present man says (Yes, I believe Jesus was God and man too but you know what I mean). I base my Christian beliefs on what the bible says. Yes, Jesus was/is loving and He was/is forgiving and He was/is understanding, but do not ever confuse these with acceptance. Remember that Jesus said "Go, and sin no more." And sin is clearly defined in scripture. The bible also says "All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God." That covers each and every one of us. There can not be sin if there is total acceptance.<br /><br />I am in no way attempting to tear down any other religion, but defining ones self as a Christian is a declaration of your belief, and your belief is in what the Holy Bible says. If you know scripture, how can the Bible be right if others are not wrong. Christ says "No one comes to the Father except through me." In your Christian beliefs, you can not be right unless others are wrong. Now, don't confuse what I am saying. I can respect others beliefs, which I do, but I do not, and as a Christian can not agree with your beliefs. It goes against the definition of Christian, follower of Christ.<br /><br />Politics and religion are closely connected. That's why they are topics that have long since been the ones no one wants to talk about. But I think you make a pretty thin argument when your political beliefs conflict with your religious beliefs. And all you have to do is crack a bible to see what the bible says. It deals with any topic you can think of.The Average Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02713917641657376358noreply@blogger.com